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Any guesses? News
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They released the report: https://hindenburgresearch.com/adani/
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u/the-apostle 3d ago
Won’t even make the scrolling news ticker at the bottom of the tv screen 🥱
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u/anothercleaverbeaver 3d ago edited 3d ago •
That's called a chyron. I always thought it was a neat word so I wanted to share.
Edit: it looks like Chyron is the brand name of the graphic. And the thing at the very bottom is the ticker. Here is a graphic I found explaining it.
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u/lownwolf02 3d ago •
A chyron is a computer that ads lower thirds, titles, and animated graphics over the top of live video, so generally people will refer to any of these kinds of titles as a chyron. It is named after the company that developed this software.
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u/conformityfarm 3d ago
I have a decade of broadcasting experience and used to work on a chyron computer therefore can confirm this statement.
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u/Impossible-Winter-94 3d ago
i helped build the system and software that introduced the chyron, and can confirm this statement
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u/Ok_Mastodon_9093 3d ago
I invented television and I can’t find my pants.
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u/rabbitkingdom 3d ago
I am on the internet and can confirm that the whereabouts of this user’s pants are unknown.
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u/Budfrompsych 3d ago
Is that like Chai-Ron or kai-Ron for pronunciation
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u/TrollTollTony 3d ago •
Kai-ron
Like "Hi Ron" with a "K"
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u/unnecessary_kindness 3d ago
Chyron Graphics is also a popular tool used in the industry for you guessed it, doing the chyron graphics.
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u/Eckish 3d ago
The definition for that word seems far more generic. I think the ticker is an example of a chyron, but probably has a more specific name (like ticker).
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u/anothercleaverbeaver 3d ago
Yeah you seem to be right based on this graphic (https://www.google.com/search?q=chyron&client=firefox-b-1-m&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz17mz-eH8AhVOMEQIHSNjCpQQ_AUIBigB&biw=414&bih=794#imgrc=hNew2RglBbkokM)
Oh well, now I learned there is a difference between the ticker and chyron.
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u/dchobo 3d ago
Do they have a symbol in the US market?
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u/doctorcrimson 3d ago edited 3d ago
Pretty sure its privately traded, which implies other corporate entities were accomplices by selling to them and buying it back.
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u/Massive-Mountain7157 3d ago
They have public companies and apparently they share the financial records of private companies or something. It was mentioned in that paper.
Of the 7 key listed companies one saw a 2000%+ increase in value over three years. Imagine investing in that.
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u/joegaebel 3d ago
$INDA has 5% exposure to Adani companies
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u/sermer48 3d ago
Wait WTF? Adani has a PE of over 300 and has a market cap of almost $4T? How have I never heard of them before lol
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u/TheHairyMonk 3d ago
We've heard of them Australia. They have or tried to take over mines here. They don't have a very good environmental track record so there was a bit of a thing going on over it..
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u/Thommohawk117 3d ago
They changed their name in Australia a few months (years?) back after the 2019 election, they call themselves Bravus Mining and Resources now.
But it is perfectly acceptable to deadname a corporation so Adani they remain
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u/becool773 3d ago
There were lots of protests in Australia and India iirc when he was bidding for those mines. Eventually he took over them. The word here was that he paid expensive gifts to the members in the government then. Smh
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u/Przedrzag 3d ago
The LNP was giving them billions when even private banks wouldn’t loan them anything
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u/BryGuyTI 3d ago
4T Indian Rupees is only 46 billion USD
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u/sermer48 3d ago
Apple doesn’t show currencies. Seems like an oversight if they’re going to randomly mix in some Zelda bullshit.
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u/AcidBuuurn 3d ago
Seems like an oversight
Or a perfect time to open a Venezuelan corporation, fool some chumps, and fake it till we make it.
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u/TrollTollTony 3d ago
Ah yes, "fake it till you make it", the wallstreetbets definition of securities fraud.
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u/grek123 3d ago
Plot twist: Hindenburg built their report thinking it’s a $4T company and were like let’s short this bitch… somebody should tell them.
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u/michaelp1987 3d ago
The article says it converts to $218 Billion.
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u/why_rob_y 3d ago
Not exactly. The article says it's INR 17.8 trillion (not "just" 4 trillion), which converts to $218 billion.
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u/arafansari 3d ago
I am a regard from India and I can tell you this. Everyone knows Adani is manipulating and people will still invest in the company's stock. Because he has the support of the Prime Minister of India and they will keep Adani up as long as it becomes a legitimate high value business. The government has been selling a good chunk of assets to Adani Group at low valuations. They already own and operate majority of airports and ports in India.
They are currently doing an FPO (secondary IPO) of about INR 200 billion (USD 2.4 Billion) which has been oversubscribed.
The Group has planned to prop up more businesses and do an IPO for atleast 3-4 businesses in the next 4-5 years.
Adani is not going down unless the political party in power goes down. The political party currently in power in not going down atleast for the next 5 years. So yeah, they will be able to legitimise their business by then
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u/MilesPower 3d ago
Bit like the "don't fight the fed" mentality in the US.
It doesn't matter what the fundamentals are, if the fed is printing you best be buying.
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u/hailgautam 3d ago
Everyone in India know it as a Ponzi scheme.
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u/youmu123 3d ago
It's not a Ponzi scheme.
A Ponzi has no basis. Adani has its basis in government privilege. It's genuine "fundamentals", however corrupt and wrong that fundamental factor is, but a fundamental nonethelees.
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u/oldcarfreddy 3d ago
Yeah people need to realize fraud =/ ponzie scheme. A ponzi scheme is a very specific kind of fraud
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u/yas9_9 3d ago
Well he's the ruling party's biggest benefactor, and the govt has been pouring tax payer money as well as retirement funds into his Ponzi scheme. People will be dying when this balloon pops
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u/parkyeonggyu 3d ago
When does he get arrested?
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u/TreeChangeMe 3d ago
Rich people never pay for crimes unless it directly hurts rich people.
See: Madoff
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u/xiaopewpew 3d ago
Shorting everything just to be on the safe side.
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u/kujski
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Microsoft has in fact never sold an actual window…
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u/Yokelele 3d ago
“Wall” Mart is next
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u/martinven1 3d ago
I don't see Apple selling apples either.
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u/SocialDissDunceSing 3d ago
Honestly staples is looking good RN
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u/Jo3yD 3d ago edited 2d ago •
Dick’s has been letting me down for years!
Edit: Thank you for the award!
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u/dsiurek2019 3d ago edited 3d ago
I was pretty pissed off when I walked into Olive Garden and there were no Olive Gardens in sight
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u/Repulsive_Client_325 3d ago
Blackberry doesn’t have fruit of any sort, let alone berries, and previously their research was not in fact in motion at all, but was entirely static.
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u/TheAccidentalHuman 3d ago •
Can you imagine my disappointment when I first walked into a BJ's!
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Wait until you hear that Applebee's doesn't sell apples OR bees.
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u/DustyDGAF 3d ago
My dad took me to Applebee's like 25 years ago and asked for apple pie. They said they didn't have any. He sighed and said, ok I'll take the bee pie 😞
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u/babypho 3d ago
They sell curtains
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u/mistazik 3d ago
Los Pollos Hermanos
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u/Klongon 3d ago
They made a legitimate product that people loved. I don't see why the brand had to die with it's nefarious owner.
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u/Dick-Guzinya 3d ago
I’m actually surprised it didn’t become a real chicken chain.
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u/Klongon 3d ago
Me too. People would show up for the reference, and if it turned out to be a good product, they'd continue coming by.
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u/UnwiseSudai 3d ago
There's a legit Los Pollos Hermanos near where I live. It was a little hole in the wall place before BB but still reaaaalllyyy good. It's blown up and has an awesome storefront and a lot more dining space now but it's still the same great food.
I don't know the owner but a friend that does says BB was the best thing to ever happen to them and the owner doesn't even care that he can't franchise because they're doing way better than they had ever dreamed
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u/gfkjhsdfjhgsdjghf 3d ago
the owner doesn't even care that he can't franchise
That doesn't sound right. If they had the name first and were actively using it appropriately, then BB is actually infringing on their rights and not the opposite.
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u/itsybitsybiter 3d ago
I always assumed it was a fictionalized "El Pollo Loco" which is a Mexican origin chain that is popular in the US Southwest. https://www.elpolloloco.com/
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u/NextTrillion 3d ago
Guessing very difficult to navigate around licensing. Who gets what? Production company’s going to want a big cut, and it’s not hard to come up with another brand name.
I guess it boils down to just how much Breaking Bad / Better Call Saul name recognition could add to their bottom line. The pollo chain would think less and the production company would think more.
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u/JohnExcrement 3d ago
Gus actually seemed like a really good employer to the kids who worked there.
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u/Tomycj 3d ago
The problem with Gus is that in the end, you can't be sure if he won't mercilessly kill them if needed. Say, imagine one of them saw something they shouldn't have.
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u/FoldedDice 3d ago edited 3d ago
No, you can be sure he would have. Maintaining the cover image of being a benevolent business owner was worth putting the effort in to be genuinely good at it, but he would not have risked exposing himself by allowing there to be a loose end. Any employee of his who learned the truth would have died unless he had some other means to guarantee their silence.
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u/Browngifts 3d ago
My thought was he runs it at a loss to get demand up so he can move more product.
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Oh Adani Group?
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u/bony_doughnut 3d ago
Ohhh, the one with the CEO who went from a $5bn net worth to like $140bn in like 2 years...they're really saying that that guys is a fraud?
Damn, it's always the people you least expect
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u/epradox 3d ago
Way to complicated trying to figure out how to short in some foreign stock exchange, I’m out.
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u/anonymouscitizen2 3d ago
There are US/ASX listed entities with large exposure to Adani corps
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u/fivealive5 3d ago
Yup, it was just announced that they took out a short position
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u/DarkHumourFoundHere 3d ago
Not just. They take short positions first then release the report. No action gets taken by authorities. Hindenburg makes money on news.
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u/304rising 3d ago
They just post their DD. If people trust them enough it moves the stock, not their fault they do high quality research that negatively effects the stock. The fault lies at the company
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u/Massive-Mountain7157 3d ago
And it's mentioned just based on financial stats alone, without the report, the companies are at least 85%+ overvalued.
So it's not like this is actually ground breaking information but it's insane how vast their web of deceit is
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u/hanoian 3d ago
What's the legality of this stuff? If you short a stock, can you decimate it if what you say is factual?
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u/UnrulySasquatch1 posts on r/investing 3d ago
As long as it the info you gathered is public knowledge, yes you can if it's insider info, then it's a big no no
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u/ConstantConsumption 3d ago
But if you public the info it's no longer only insiders, checkmate atheists
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u/cheeeky_ 3d ago
Shorter than shit on Adani group. As soon as I figure out what it is and how to do that.
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u/CherguiCheeky 3d ago
This is not news.The Adani stock manipulation is a common knowledge. I made shit ton of money last year being on the right side of adani pump.
Whoever shorts adani will lose money because adani has cash to pump back his stocks up.
He needs stocks to be high so that he can borrow crazy amount of money to finance his coal mines and other infra projects.
And he uses some of the borrowed money to pump his stocks.
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u/Massive-Mountain7157 3d ago
Apparently there is an investigation going on according to the Hindenburg report, thought it apparently started a year and a half after the claims were first made so I don't know if anyone should expect progress.
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u/leeeeerrroy_Jenkinks 3d ago
nothing will ever come of the report as Indian Government and agencies investigating them are currently controlled by Adani's themselves.
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My guess is no matter what it is, it will change nothing, lead to no arrests, and whoever did it or knew about it will be wealthier this time next year.
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u/PullinUpBootstraps 3d ago
The whistleblower(s) will definitely get arrested or die mysteriously.
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u/BobbaBubbler 3d ago
Die mysteriously? Please enlighten me on what is mysterious about putting a sackcloth bag over your head, shooting yourself 48 times in the back of the head and falling face first into your pool??
That is a very common occurrence.
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u/Bob_Chris 3d ago edited 3d ago •
You joke but my great grandfather was shot three times, once just below the heart, and twice in the head and it was ruled a suicide by the Cook County coroner.
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One of the articles from the time, which was 1930:
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u/lisa_is_chi 3d ago
"Cook County coroner" - that definitely tracks.
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u/Bob_Chris 3d ago
And the year was 1930. A single action revolver was found near his body. Twice through the head and once in the heart.
He was a prominent member of the Chicago Board of Trade.
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u/No-Independent5426 3d ago
I’m assuming it was mafia related?
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u/ChefBoyAreWeFucked 3d ago
Who gets so upset about the Mafia that they kill themselves?
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u/4ab273bed4f79ea5bb5 3d ago
Hey do you mind giving us his name? or DMing me? I wanna see if i can find him in the Library of Congress newspaper archives.
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u/Bob_Chris 3d ago
There were plenty of blurbs about it at the time. This is one I have:
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u/UnrealRealityForReal 3d ago
Yep. I just did that yesterday.
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u/TheeMrBlonde 3d ago
Me too, but I got better.
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u/Kingty1124 3d ago
The holes in the back of my head made me sink to the bottom quicker…
On another note, I’m a great swimmer!
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u/MC936 3d ago
What do you mean die mysteriously? It's perfectly logical that whilst tragically tripping and falling out of a hospital window they also misfired their concealed carry weapon, which due to them tumbling through the air managed to hit them in the back twice before they broke their fall feet first in wet concrete and losing balance to unfortunately fall off the pier into the sea.
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u/FunCranberry4818 3d ago
Idk the Nikola report did lead to Trevor Milton leaving the company and he’s not even a billionaire any more. Probably a measly hundred millionaire.
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u/PizzaNuggies 3d ago
How big of a loser do you have to be to be arrested as a billionaire? Epic fucking loser.
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u/subcow 3d ago
If you are a billionaire, and your crimes were against poor people, nothing happens to you. If you ripped off other rich people, then you may possibly be used as a token example.
If Bernie Madoff only ripped off poor people his penalty would've just been a fine, and maybe some community service.
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u/stoneman9284 3d ago •
Yea, whoever is guilty will probably be shorting their own company before any of us can
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u/TheCookie_Momster 3d ago
There’s probably a lot of people shorting their own companies thinking it’s their fraud that will be exposed
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u/gatsby365 3d ago
Saw a video where a woman said she walked into a crowded restaurant and pulled out her cell phone and said “girl you’re not gonna believe it, your man is here with another girl” and five dudes got up and left.
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u/avelak 3d ago
My guess is that the folks at Hindenburg will be loaded up on puts and cash in no matter whether or not their research has any merit as well
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u/aaronmd 3d ago
With a name like Hindenburg Research the expectations are high...
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u/avelak 3d ago edited 3d ago •
They always do this
They load up on puts and drop a hit piece on a company, a lot of the time it's lowkey a nothingburger but they still cash in because of the immediate stock reaction
And yes, sometimes they expose something legit... But this tweet means nothing other than "we want the market to respond strongly when we drop our report before anyone even reads it"
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u/ProgrammaticallyHip 3d ago
Their short report on Nikola was legendary. Clover pretty solid too. DraftKings, not so much.
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u/FlyPenFly 3d ago
Someone needs to expose them… and short them, UNO REVERSO
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u/Dandan0005 3d ago
They’ve loaded up on puts of themselves, which is the largest fraud in corporate history, and once they expose it, they’ll all become rich.
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u/IncomingAxofKindness 3d ago
So you're saying buy the dip
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u/psyentist15 3d ago
Read the report(s). Despite OP's blanket statement, they've uncovered some pretty atrocious corporate ploys.
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u/theghostofcslewis 3d ago
Tupperware?
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u/Accurate-Captain6847 3d ago
United health care
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u/wefarrell 3d ago
They've bought enough lawmakers to legalize all of their shady practices.
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u/Slikboi99 3d ago
I actually worked for them in the past , I agree their model for Medicare advantage plans, really don’t add value to people and if the patient dies before the end of the year they get to keep all the money . Left as soon as I got a gov job
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u/Happy_rich_mane 3d ago
Medicare advantage plans are a large part of the insurance industry’s fraud and I think almost 45% of Medicare eligible people are enrolled. They are like triple dipping on the American tax payer at this point
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u/hammer_416 3d ago
Pltr. May as well bring my shares right to 0
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u/Turdnugget0321 3d ago
Adani Group
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u/ZimaEnthusiast 3d ago
Yup.
“Today we reveal the findings of our 2-year investigation, presenting evidence that the INR 17.8 trillion (U.S. $218 billion) Indian conglomerate Adani Group has engaged in a brazen stock manipulation and accounting fraud scheme over the course of decades.”
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u/BadAtRocks 3d ago
Cramer put his hex on Blackrock the other day so that's my guess.:12787:
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u/AilsaN 3d ago
The thread is up. It's Adani Group. https://twitter.com/HindenburgRes/status/1618077612680818688
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u/gvictor808 3d ago
Tether stablecoin
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u/mike_from_here 3d ago
Trojan. They keep making the magnums bigger they don’t fit anymore. Nothing to do with my penis shrinking at all
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u/Emotional_Routine963 3d ago
FTX
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u/Sweet_Scar487 3d ago
The obvious choice, this is what I was going to suggest. Good luck! Not sure what the winner receives
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u/ogfuzzball 3d ago
When you have to hype a big announcement, it’s usually not that big.
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u/road_to_0_mmr 3d ago
It's about Adani Group. Difficult to short for non-india residents.
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u/AudienceEquivalent70 3d ago
You guys just made Elon's butt pucker.
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u/ElevenSleven 3d ago
Pretty sure every fortune 500 CEO is clinching their butts seeing this tweet.
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