r/Damnthatsinteresting 13d ago Endless Coolness 1 Wholesome Seal of Approval 1 Wholesome 4 Ally 1 All-Seeing Upvote 4 Silver 15 Platinum 1 Heartwarming 1 Bless Up 1 Gold 1 Take My Energy 1 Helpful 5

Surprisingly insightful, level headed and articulate take on immigration from former President George W. Bush Video

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u/ZeBrutalTruth 13d ago Silver

Now watch this drive.

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u/acre18 13d ago edited 13d ago

Only thing that tops this is the dead center opening pitch he threw at the Yankees game after 9/11

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u/TreChomes 13d ago

bill Burr goes on about that pitch every so often lol. He killed it during a time that it was needed.

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u/Harvey605 13d ago

This is a good, short video of it: https://youtu.be/lAEXKwQ1f9M

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u/imisstheyoop 13d ago

This is a good, short video of it: https://youtu.be/lAEXKwQ1f9M

I aged way too much watching this video. I remember watching that on TV, it was a big moment!

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u/Buster_Brown_513 13d ago

Amazing to think just 20 years ago, after the unthinkable happened, that this country was so united. Wild seeing Rudy Giuliani there too. I remember thinking he was a beacon of light for this country at the time. Crazy how things have turned.

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u/nicenihilism 12d ago

Maybe the people didn't change maybe they way they are portrayed changed.

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u/acre18 13d ago

Chills everytime. I mean what a pitch!

Don’t agree with a lot of his response but man what a unique way to reassure a nation that was pretty shook up.

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u/BlackWhiteCoke 13d ago edited 13d ago

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u/random6969696969691 13d ago

That was somewhat amazing

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u/BradGroux 13d ago

I never understood why people really made mockery of Bush for this stunt. Swagger can be very important for a leader. Obama oozed it, as an example.

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u/CallMeRawie 13d ago

See ya at church

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u/Heelincal 13d ago Take My Energy

Because as much as people do not want to admit it, the president becomes a caricature to the opposing party when in power. Outside of Trump, pretty much every one of the presidents before him was a real human being faced with tough decisions who I think genuinely wanted the best for the country. But they would be villified by the opposition at any blunder (see the tan suit) in order to creat us vs them mentalities.

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u/bettercallfinger 13d ago

Holy fuck hahahahahahahaha

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u/jstover777 13d ago

His swing isn't to bad.

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u/classylemon24 13d ago

Muricaaa fuck yeah

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u/maggot_flavored 13d ago

That was epic

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u/cstang79 13d ago

One of my favorite videos of all time.

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u/lorenzombber 13d ago

The single greatest moment of this century thus far and no one can tell me I'm wrong

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u/golfgrandslam 13d ago

Although it could be him standing atop the rubble of the trade centers with a megaphone, and his arm around the FDNY chief. That or the night Obama announced we capped bin Laden.

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u/Schenkspeare Interested 13d ago

It's absolutely him throwing out the first pitch of the World Series in New York

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u/halfhere 13d ago

I watch two videos every September 11 - the short documentary on the maritime miracle of the Manhattan evacuation, and that first pitch.

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u/turikk 13d ago

link to the doc?

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u/halfhere 13d ago edited 13d ago

It’s incredibly moving. Largest evacuation since Dunkirk, all coordinated by tugs, ferries, and private vessels. Correction: larger than Dunkirk. Largest in history.

https://youtu.be/MDOrzF7B2Kg

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u/turikk 13d ago

thank you for taking the time to find it and share it with me

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u/BigFatBlackCat 13d ago

Wow. I had no idea.

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u/Alexkono 13d ago

Still get goosebumps. Iconic moment in our country's history.

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u/-Unnamed- 13d ago

Perfect strike right down the middle

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u/Subli-minal 13d ago

The rock knew bin laden got capped. Who does he know?

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u/BigFatBlackCat 13d ago

With a smile on his face the entire time

Trump basically made this man into a media saint.

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u/Cannabisreviewpdx-IG 13d ago

This was one of my first thoughts about the Trump presidency. I remember after a couple big incidents I thought "People are going to start remembering Bush fondly after this guy."

Seems to have been very true.

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u/GhostGuardian0 13d ago

I LOVE THAT! It’s so funny how amused he was by it and then ends it perfectly with “you want the facts? It was a size ten shoe” that’s amazing lmao

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u/cacope5 13d ago

See ya in church

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u/-ImYourHuckleberry- 13d ago

One of the best moments of my life.

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u/hypercosmic117 13d ago Take My Energy Bravo! 'MURICA

People just happy nowadays to listen to a President that can form thoughts and sentences. Never thought I’d say that about GWB

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u/eristicforfun 13d ago

I heard an interview about Bush awhile ago talking about how bad of a speaker he is. It was public speaking he had problems with, in conversation he was apparently very well spoken and articulate.

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u/guaip 13d ago edited 11d ago

I'm not american and I was an young adult back when he was president, but everything I knew about him was based on public opinion that painted him as a dumb, stupid guy that everyone hated.

Only when I was older I was quite surprised to see some of his interviews and he at least sounded way more articulated and smarter than I thought. Not getting into political views or anything, but it's amazing how easy is to manipulate people's opinion on someone if they are not paying much attention.

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u/thrashpiece 13d ago

I'm the same. I'm 40 and live in the UK. He was presented as a total fuckwit. Now I look at him and it seems incredible the decline in the quality of politicians.

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u/directtodvd420 13d ago

His team felt that they had to lean in to the “down-home-working-class-Texan” vibe to survive the election as he wouldn’t come off as intelligent and articulate. This political maneuver exacerbated itself and made him seem incredibly dumb when in reality he’s well educated (and certainly not working class whatsoever).

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u/guiltysnark 13d ago Helpful

Oh my God, this makes me so angry.

They murdered the value of truth, logic and education. They manufactured a value of NOT those things, and the GOP has ultimately been remade on that pillar of willful ignorance.

Our leaders SHOULD be intellectually elite, we need that, we should want that... And apparently until trump they always actually were smart. But this illusion of stupidity gave rise to actual stupidity. And now political discourse is dead.

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u/Zoom_Out_Kid 13d ago

Clinton had an interview about immigration. It was almost exactly the same thing and he was part of the opposing party. Since politics is about metrics, when you're confident you can take elections without getting votes from the smaller party at all, you don't need to make everyone happy. Or have everyone agree.

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u/directtodvd420 13d ago

It truly did seem to revamp the whole party’s image and make Republicanism seem attractive to those whose best interest were actually not of primary concern to the party (ie the working/middle class, the elderly, small business owners, union workers etc). Tragic and fascinating. I wish I was studying this period in a history class instead of living through it.

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u/Madeyathink07 13d ago

Seriously I can’t wait to see what the history books say about our time before I pass

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u/directtodvd420 13d ago

In a couple hundred years I’m sure it will become another unmentionable topic that gets sanitized so as not to offend people, like how some institutions are attempting to gloss over slavery now.

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u/ElectricSnowBunny 13d ago Starry

It all started going downhill when Newt Gingrich became majority whip and then speaker and got everyone to buy into the Contract with America. This is a major driving factor into why we have a political landscape with no moderate Republicans and a country with zero bipartisanship.

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u/krthompson87 13d ago

To be fair that’s how most the world views us Texans unfortunately

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u/mattisfamous1982 13d ago

Haha same for me in Alabama! Apparently i eat grits from my grandmas butthole

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u/Cranialscrewtop 13d ago

tbf that comment doesn't help the image

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u/mattisfamous1982 13d ago

Lol I do apologize tbh i dont know if this makes it better or worse but she does have a colostomy bag.

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u/rustylugnuts 13d ago

Colostomy grits would make for one hell of a name for a metal band.

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u/tanktametet-pwemskan 13d ago

you're supposed to eat grits from your sister's vagina, get it right!

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u/JPierpont-Finch 13d ago

That’s messed up, dude.

She told me I was the only one eating grits from her butthole.

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u/QueefBuscemi 13d ago

I too choose this mans grandma.

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u/TheMadIrishman327 13d ago

I believe that 100%.

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u/mattisfamous1982 13d ago

Lol belief makes the magic real!

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u/Popular_District9072 13d ago

i grew up with the same image of him pictured, was mind-blowing to later compare the speeches of presidents after him, when passing on the office, with the one he gave

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u/Grand-Bodybuilder-81 13d ago Silver

He is very magnanimous as well. If you ever get a chance, watch his speech at the dedication of the Bill Clinton presidential portrait. It was the picture of class and seeing the best in someone who was not (at the time) a friend.

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u/TheMadIrishman327 13d ago

They became good friends. The Clinton’s attended Bush family events and Jeb Bush calls Clinton “bro.”

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u/Sendmedoge 13d ago

Michele loves her some W, too.

W does a charity to bring battered women from the middle-east to the US and Michelle is 100% behind him on it.

That's why you see pictures of them being all cuddled up together at events.

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u/TheMadIrishman327 13d ago

GWB admin put together and funded the anti-AIDS program in Africa too.

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u/Ake4455 13d ago

Not sure how you rank it, but Bush probably top 5 people in history saving lives…they think 13million so far from his AIDS program

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u/DanMarinoTambourineo 13d ago

They are actually attending the Presidents Cup in Charlotte together this weekend I believe

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u/TheMadIrishman327 13d ago

Went to Yale. Flew jets. Received his MBA from Harvard. Succeeded in business and in politics prior to being elected President.

Calling him dumb never made sense.

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u/itspeter80 13d ago

Yeah me too, this is very true! I suppose we should check in with ourselves about all the preconceived ideas we have about people we don't actually know (politicians, celebrities, other people we haven't taken the time to form a proper opinion of)

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u/lilmammamia 13d ago edited 13d ago

True but also what we’ve gotten used to hearing in today’s American politics is so dumb and insane that it makes GWB look like Gandalf in comparison and we who used to hear him spoken about as an idiot now almost feel nostalgia for those days (well, except for the wars).

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u/jiannone Interested 13d ago

I used to read his speeches instead of listen to them. He wasn't just inarticulate or stuttering, he was really really smug. He'd turn up the corner of his mouth in pride at the end of a paragraph. It was tough to watch. His speech writers were on point though and the message was very clear, whatever your opinion of his goals were.

If it weren't for Iraq, he may have been remembered for his legitimate contributions. He was, what I think people would consider, an example of an antiracist. As a Texan, he saw what immigration really looked like and the economic contribution immigrants made for the state.

No Child Left Behind wasn't loved but it was a massive effort to improve the nation's public education system.

PEPFAR had the most significant impact on HIV/AIDS up to its creation. I believe it's still in place.

Also, it would be completely reasonable to prosecute him for war crimes at The Hague.

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u/doctor-rumack 13d ago Wholesome

Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

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u/mikeysweet 13d ago Bravo Grande!

What I learned about this is that he caught himself in the middle of that statement and realized he didn’t want a sound byte with him saying “shame on me” since that would be used in political campaigns against him.

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u/doctor-rumack 13d ago

I never heard that before, but he’s spot on. That’s exactly what would happen.

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u/aryukittenme 13d ago

Never heard this before but that’s genius. Like never saying “yes” on a telemarketer/scam call

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u/Iron_Bob 13d ago

Strategery

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u/Bighairyballsplopped 13d ago

This was by far my favorite. Strategery shits over Cofeveve or whatever every day of the week and twice on sundays

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u/doctor-rumack 13d ago

Did GWB actually say "strategery" or was that just Will Ferrell as GWB on an SNL cold open?

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u/catdaddy230 13d ago edited 13d ago

It was snl but Bush thought it was so funny, he started saying it too among people in the white house. I don't remember who it was but he had a secretary of strategery

How rare it wasn't to have a president who could laugh at himself.

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u/Chasman1965 13d ago

Before Trump, most modern Presidents had a sense of humor about people poking fun at them.

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u/My_Soul_to_Squeeze 13d ago edited 13d ago

That's what happens when a politician realizes they've accidentally committed to saying "shame on me" and tries desperately to avoid following through.

He probably made the right call, tbh. He already had a reputation for poor public speaking. Video of him saying "shame on me" would've been metaphorical napalm for his political opponents to use against him.

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u/Cokej01 13d ago

He’s way more presidential now that he’s not president.

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u/Rex_Lee Interested 13d ago

He's way more presidential now that we have seen the alternatives

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u/Mahnizl 13d ago

I read somewhere from people that worked directly with GWB that although he came off publicly as not that bright, he was always 10 steps ahead of anyone else in a room with him and would be miles ahead in any conversations about policies, etc. He’s apparently extremely intelligent and articulate.

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u/bone_thief 13d ago edited 13d ago

I read that article. I think it was in the NYT, written in more recent years by a former senior staffer, and was persuasive and well-reasoned. He hammed up his good ol' boy image but is a voracious reader with a sharp, curious mind. He also rather contemptuously said of Trump (who was already in power), "I may be the last Republican president". Another good (verified) Bush quote, about Trump's inauguration speech: "Well that was some weird shit."

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u/powerangerpink 13d ago

That second quote slayed me lol

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u/BBQQA 13d ago

That inauguration was also home to the funniest Bush Jr ridiculousness.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ntYZK9ZMCaA

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u/chefanubis 13d ago

That looks like he fiddled with his poncho for 5 seconds like a regular person but they took 200 pictures and made it look like it was acting stupid the whole time.

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u/Chasman1965 13d ago

Yup, and he began the preparation for a pandemic due to a book he read about the Spanish Flu. He was a much more serious man than he was given credit for.

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u/cjboffoli 13d ago

Seriously. I never thought we'd have a president that would make George W. Bush look like an erudite elder statesman by comparison.

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u/Digitus___Impudicus 13d ago

Not often you get erudite out on reddit.

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u/feelin_cheesy 13d ago

It used to be a test for presidential likability to think of yourself sitting down and having beers with him for a few hours. Most presidents could pass this test because they’re well spoken and easy to get along with. I’m not sure I could sit at the same table with Trump for more than a few seconds without beating my head against the table. I am fairly conservative when it comes to political views but my God that man is intolerable.

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u/DVXT 13d ago

He just sounds reasonable and coherent. God it's mad how much the world has changed.

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u/sockalicious 13d ago

I remember this speech from the time. The standard liberal talking point was that GWB was not intelligent. This speech was used as an example. The soundbite seized on was "jobs Americans are unwilling to do," it was used for everything from "The President hates/doesn't respect American laborers" to "he's trying to build a guest worker/no-path-to-citizenship system like they have for Muslims in France."

There's been some goalpost moving and rug pulling in politics since then. In general, for people who like intelligent discourse, that's gone right out of politics entirely.

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u/lee_unit 13d ago

It wasn’t a liberal talking point. It was a point that got joked about whenever he talked in public. I was a Republican at the time and thought he was a goober. I saw him speak at a rally in which he actually spoke very well.

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u/costanzashairpiece 13d ago 'MURICA

Remember when GW was considered a dumb president. My how far we've fallen.

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u/Bababacon 13d ago

Remember when that’s what the Republican Party looked like? When there was middle ground

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u/costanzashairpiece 13d ago edited 12d ago All-Seeing Upvote

To be fair, to every Democrat I knew he was the literal end of the world... people can't see nuance until 20 years later.

Edit. Wow that's a lot of responses. Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I agree with most of them. Know that I'm not trying to cheerlead or be an apologist for GW. He's not my favorite either and I disagree with many of his policies (I'm a 3rd party voter so disagree with many mainstream policies). The point I was trying to make is everyone get entrenched into tribalism so much that it takes 20 years to be able to say "that guy said something I can agree with", or "if the guy i voted for loses, we can still be civil with our neighbors". Apparently thats still pretty controversial, considering some of the responses. I thought his schpeal on immigration was... kinda nice, and no that doesnt mean I supported the war in Iraq. Hope Americans can find common ground with people they dont always agree with, or didn't vote for. I think we need it. Hope everyone has a positive weekend.

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u/zzerdzz 13d ago All-Seeing Upvote

This 1000x. Same with Obama too (obv diff people). The treadmill is ubiquitous

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u/costanzashairpiece 13d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Obama and Romney were both fairly reasonable guys who people inexplicably thought were extreme.

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u/kinglendawg 13d ago

McCain too, especially in retrospect

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u/Vreas 13d ago

Remember when McCain defended Obama from a woman who called him an Arab?

“McCain grabbed the microphone from her, cutting her off. “No, ma’am,” he said. “He’s a decent family man [and] citizen that just I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that’s what the campaign’s all about. He’s not [an Arab].””

Dude could’ve selfishly leaned into the racist rhetoric to enhance his own support but stayed true to American values of respect and truth.

Crazy how far we’ve fallen.

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u/moosemeatjerkey 13d ago

So strange how today Id vote for McCain and I am a staunch democrat. I actually felt a loss when he died and had a lot of respect for him.

I'm not a big fan of Biden, but I immediately thought it was a big middle finger Trump from McCain when Biden won Arizona.

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u/chocological 13d ago

McCain sucked for a lot of reasons and especially giving the pre Qult tea party whack jobs legitimacy, but I remember seeing that and he’ll always have my respect for not leaning into the hate that Trump eventually would.

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u/fermi0nic 13d ago

I was on the fence and wound up voting for McCain in that election (Obama in the next one) and can't even imagine being conflicted over any candidate today.

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u/bart_not_ok 13d ago

I never thought Romney was that bad, but that Paul Ryan guy …

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u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice 13d ago

Romney was more seen as corrupt and out of touch. Extremely boring maybe, but not extreme.

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u/ZK686 13d ago

My grandparents hated Bill Clinton because of his "affair" and swore to never vote for a Democrat because of that. Just goes to show you how people really pick and choose who to support...

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u/Carp8DM 13d ago

The problem with the Republicans back in the late 90s and 00s was their never ending drum beat for war. War on drugs, war on marriage, war on christmas, and of course the war on the middle east. Everything to them was a crises of outrage that they used to try and motivate evangelicals and racists.

They were called Neo-Cons back then, and they were the beginning of what we have now.

George W Bush ran as a moderate Replublican, but when he was elected, he brought in those Neo-Cons that would eventually become the MAGAts we are dealing with now.

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u/brallipop 13d ago

Yep! All trump did was flip the Janus-face of the Republican party: previously they often had a regular stuffy suit buisness-y candidate who then populated their staff and advisors with far right operators (remember Bolton was W's ambassador to the UN and Bolton had said the UN should be disbanded). Trump was just the more vulgar, basic id of conservatism made explicit. Now the policy was about hurting people, not the process.

I only hope trump will come to be a misstep by the GOP, having revealed the animating underbelly and irrevocably tainting their party for the short term gain of avoiding a Hillary presidency. I'm thru speculating if Russia really influenced them so thoroughly or if it was just a convenient partnership, the result is America heard them say who they truly are.

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u/costanzashairpiece 13d ago

I agree that Neocons were too militant. I disagree that MAGA is born from that ideology. MAGA is more isolationist. For his flaws, Trump didn't really engage in much military activity at all... The never trump Republicans are basically Neocons.

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u/crosscheck87 13d ago

The biggest Never Trump Republican is Liz Cheney, who is notoriously a Hawk.

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u/ThreesKompany 13d ago

MAGA isn't Neocon but the reason MAGA grew as a result Neocons was because for decades Republicans stoked populist fears on the right in order to get MAGA people to vote for them. Neocons maintained power on the strength of MAGA votes. After years of getting more and more extreme to drive votes eventually the inmates took over the asylum and took control of the GOP away from Neocons. Never trumpers absolutely are more traditional Republicans but those old school republicans never had a power base without the crazies who became MAGA.

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u/iehova 13d ago

Neocon circles gave way to the tea party movement which Republicans gently courted. The tea party folks eventually became MAGA.

I watched my entire extended southern family go through that cycle, it's pretty straightforward.

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u/DoneisDone45 13d ago All-Seeing Upvote

only because the goal post got moved so far. he started the iraq war and that ended up putting america into debt forever. clinton had a surplus at the end of his term. if we followed clinton's playbook, we'd be well on our way to manageable national debt. so back then when the country was politically stable, getting the usa into a trillion dollar war was definitely the end of the world. insurrection and race wars did not even seem like a remote possibility.

so no, it's not that people can't see nuance.

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u/MrFantasticallyNerdy 13d ago

Well, to be fair, he didn't seemed different from any reasonably intelligent and articulate person you'll find in major universities. I wouldn't say he's inspirational or particularly articulate, like we sometimes expect Presidents to be. But I totally get and agree that he's not even in the same sad category that Trump is in.

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u/YT-Deliveries 13d ago

Fact of the matter is that if 9/11 hadn't happened, he'd have been a middling, milquetoast President that would have been a "shrug" in the history books.

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u/Came4gooStayd4Ahnuce 13d ago

He was only considered dumb by the then equivalent of todays loud twitter users. As someone who lived in Texas under his governorship, he wasnt and has never been “dumb”.

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u/mindless_gibberish 13d ago

yeah he played up that "aw shucks I'm just a simple Texan" bullshit

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely 13d ago

Made him a lot more relatable than leaning into the whole "My family is an American dynasty and my dad was president" thing

And to his credit, Jeb had the same upbringing and still turned out to be Jeb.

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u/CaptainJAmazing 13d ago

I definitely remember Jeb attempting to say something while running for POTUS about how “Isn’t it crazy that three people with the same last name could end up being president?” like it was some kind of wild coincidence that could only happen in America and wouldn’t be some self-inflicted dynasty.

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u/froandfear 13d ago

His ability to deliver intelligent and cogent arguments dropped off a cliff from his early days in Texas politics to the end of his governorship and through his presidency. There’s hours and hours of video of him speaking and debating that make this plainly obvious. It’s the main reason there were so many rumors towards the end of his presidency that he had early onset dementia or Alzheimer’s.

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u/moeburn 13d ago

There were Daily Show episodes about this. Jon Stewart was like "but he went to an ivy league school! He got good grades! People say he was actually a really intelligent guy! So what happened to him?"

And he ends up concluding that he is pretty bright, but only as bright as those smart people that have a massive blind spot, you know like heart surgeons who believe in magnetic bracelets and stuff.

And he concludes he was dumbing down his speeches because of the average American's 5th grade vocabulary. He had to speak dumb, because Americans are dumb.

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u/alinroc 13d ago

And he concludes he was dumbing down his speeches because of the average American's 5th grade vocabulary. He had to speak dumb, because Americans are dumb.

You have to meet people where they are. Also: Know your audience.

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u/Okichah 13d ago

Funny how political propaganda works.

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u/Dom1n1k19 13d ago

Respect to the interviewer who didn’t interrupt this part. Just saying. It’s so toxic sometimes nowadays. Love watching old stuff lol

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u/DisplayFair9153 13d ago

It's C-SPAN. It might still be like that there.

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u/WillDeletOneDay 13d ago

Yep. And back then nobody watched C-Span and constantly memed about bow boring it is. Nobody is interested in politics without the melodramatic sensationalized bullshit. You have to act like a flashy nutcase with radical ideas to get people to pay attention to you and your platform.

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u/torrso 13d ago

Old? This was only like 5, 10 or maybe .. /r/fuckimold

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u/GainsayRT 13d ago

come on grandpa, let's get you home

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u/Razzmatazz-88 13d ago

Try using butterscotch candies to lure him home.

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u/aminomycamino 13d ago

molding? need some help?

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u/PaleMoses 13d ago

I swear he almost said “faith, family, f-“ (football)

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u/jwinskowski 13d ago

Came here to post this! Haha He could've saved that by saying the football is slightly different. Caught himself though.

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u/redacoustic 13d ago

“Football is life!”

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u/Valrien 13d ago

“Nananananana Dani Rojas, Rojas! Dani Rojas!

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u/mclick84 13d ago

Faith, family, fútbol

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u/Stuff1989 13d ago

one thing he briefly mentioned and is not really talked about as much as it probably should be is the US used to be the place where all the smartest students from around the world went for their college education. many times after graduating they would stay in america to raise their family. we were gulping up all of the smartest people in the world. nowadays there are a lot of really good foreign universities and foreigners that do still come to america are more likely to move back to their home country

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u/SomeParticular 13d ago

Such a massively underrated issue. It’s only gotten worse since then. Steve Jobs had a good take on this too.

We really need to make an effort to keep these bright minds here.

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u/WelcomeToGlorantha 13d ago

Tbh I think we should create a fast track to citizenship for international students who earn a degree in the U.S. The main downside is how much that could suck for other countries.

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u/jcfziggy18 13d ago

I long for the days when we considered GWB an idiot

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u/siqiniq 13d ago

Moderate conservatism with average american intelligence. “Think of how stupid the average is and imagine half of them are even stupider than that!” — george carlin

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u/Mythic_Inheritor 13d ago

The funny thing is, nobody thinks they’re in the lower half.

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u/cum-pizza 13d ago

You know he is definitely way more intelligent than the average American right?

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u/MFDoomEsq 13d ago

People forget that when he ran in 1999 as a "compassionate conservative," immigration reform was part of his platform. If I recall correctly, the immigration reform bill that McCain worked on in 2004 or 2005 failed to pass due to a backlash that arguably was a harbinger of the radical right as it is today.

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u/gingerschnappes 13d ago

Reagan and bush senior both had a pro immigration policy that was part of the republicans platform in that day. How very different the republicans have become

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u/MacManus14 13d ago

Yup. Right wing talk radio led a revolt and it died.

Now right wing talk radio lunacy and their emperor rule the GOP. God help us

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u/Subli-minal 13d ago

And Rush Limbaugh gets a medal of freedom for his decades of radicalization and vitriol.

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u/kong210 13d ago

I remember reading how he got elected on a platform focusing on education as well.

Obviously it all went out the window

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u/Suspicious_Jello1583 13d ago

He delivered education reform. It was a disaster but not in the way that any future Republican education reform would be as the goal was not to destroy public education. The focus ended up too much on testing which was a predictable consequence, but developing standards and holding schools accountable to working towards meeting them is not inherently a bad thing.

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u/MFDoomEsq 13d ago

No child left behind was the name of the policy, in practice it was more like most children left behind...

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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude 13d ago

Check out what Reagan and Bush had to say about it back in the 80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmgPp_nlok

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u/MiserablePublic18 13d ago

Yep, gang of 8. Lindsay was in it.

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u/Ohio_Imperialist 13d ago

People can argue politics all day long. I'm happy to see a past president using sentences, non inflammatory, at that, in an interview while also not being interrupted by the interviewer over and over

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u/Sajun 13d ago

The fucking bar is on the ground and you can easily trip on it at this point.

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u/Epicurus402 13d ago

Wow. That was the most concise, insightful, balanced case to support immigration that I've heard from literally anyone. Ever. This is how a President is supposed to sound. I didn't vote for President Bush, but his views on immigration are well-reasoned and principaled, and I think the majority of AmerIcans agree with him. He and other moderate Republicans who receded to the sidelines must step up and reclaim their party. America desperately needs them to.

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u/HammBerger3 13d ago

Living in Texas, I often drive past signs declaring, "No RINOs (Republicans in Name Only)!" The Republican voter base itself has deliberately killed off its moderate candidates. In many districts, reaching across the aisle WILL get you booted. Here, the notion of moderates reclaiming their party seems impossible. So the way I see it, Republican voters have themselves to blame for the collapse of their party and no one else.

/rant

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u/Fiery_Flamingo 13d ago

Legal immigrant/recent US citizen here. I 100% agree with what he said on this video even though he ordered the bombing of the country next to mine based on lies.

When I tell my coworkers what I like about this country and why I chose to be a citizen, I can clearly see how proud and welcoming they are. Sadly the hateful minority of racists and bigots have a lot of political power.

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u/ScuffedCarSalesman 13d ago

I remember when he was considered scum of the earth.

What happened to our country? Has it gotten so bad that even some of our worst from the past seem better than anything we’ve gotten as of late?

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u/petulafaerie 13d ago

Well you’ve had a new worst, so everything else has realigned to fit in with that new paradigm.

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u/knownothingwiseguy 13d ago

To be fair he still did cause hundreds of thousands of deaths, authorized black sites, torture, and arguably destabilized a region for decades tho.

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u/allwillbewellbuthow 13d ago

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

Inarguably

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u/yes_im_listening 13d ago

The further down we go makes everything behind us seem higher.

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u/Frankenfucker 13d ago

Ya hit the nail on the head. To answer your question, unfortunately, yes it has gotten that bad.

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u/bobo12478 13d ago

Has it gotten so bad that even some of our worst from the past seem better than anything we’ve gotten as of late?

This is more of a "even a broken clock is right twice a day" sort of thing. Bush was terrible on, well, everything really -- except immigration. He was pretty damn good on immigration from his 2000 campaign right up until he left office. We came very close to getting comprehensive immigration reform, but ultimately the extreme right stopped it.

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u/boston_shua 13d ago

Imagine if we hadn’t invaded Iraq and had instead fixed our immigration policy

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u/BaronsDad 13d ago

He and McCain tried to fix the immigration policy. There was pushback from the talk radio conservative crowd

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u/Ferengi_Earwax 13d ago

If only he didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction and force America into a war it didn't want or need...

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u/Okichah 13d ago edited 13d ago

People forget that the 80-90’s major international threat was international terrorism. 9/11 was the culmination of that.

Previous administrations had anti-terrorist policies that failed time and again.

So what influence does the west have in countries where these terrorists originate from?

Well, the us and the west dont have many allies in the Middle East. We have ‘fair weather’ relationships. Like even though the Saudis are allies on paper; they arent exactly friendly to the west.

What does that have to do with Iraq?

Well, given the scenario if the US and the west want a friendly nation in the ME theyre probably going to have to build one. So what country is weak enough to topple, without strong allies in the region, and has some potential to foster western friendly attitudes.

And Iraq fits the bill in that regard. Saddam was a despot and didnt have much support from other countries or his own citizens. The Kurds were a western friendly faction within Iraq. WMDs and chemical weapons programs were a good justification because Saddam had pretended like he had the programs in order to forestall attacks from his enemies.

The insurrections and civil conflicts were likely anticipated. But not the sheer magnitude of what occurred. I bet the orchestrators sold the plan on the premise that “worst case scenario is Saddam is gone”.

The Bush admin convinced themselves that an Iraqi democracy would set the stage for reformation in the region. And could in time save the world from the threats that had once originated there.

But, the neoliberal idea of ideological-jingoism has always been a trap. “If you give people democracy they will flourish”, is a nice idea, but wishful thinking. If a society doesn’t have a process of self-determination it will likely end up with various corruptions instead.

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u/Fun_in_Space 13d ago

And kill about a half a million people in the process. And blame it on "bad information" he got from torture victims.

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u/burdboxwasok 13d ago

torture victims and someone that fled iraq for political reasons and had much to gain from sadam getting out of power

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u/big_hungry_joe 13d ago

Two wars

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u/TheDude-Esquire 13d ago

At least there was some cover of justification for Afghanistan. But Iraq was just lies.

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u/DuragVinceMcMahon408 13d ago edited 13d ago

Why is so much of this sub political all of the sudden?

Aside from that, I think Bush being known as a bumbling idiot is really unfair. As someone who gives speeches for a living, he strikes me as someone who really tensed up giving important speeches or addressing large crowds. When you see him give interviews outside of that, or now in retirement, he’s much more relaxed, he’s affable, etc…

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u/GeraldoDeRiviero 13d ago

I remember him as being this idiot bumbling buffoon of a president. But here he comes off as very literate and capable of expressing his thoughts in a cogent manner. Compare that to trump, MTG, palin or Hershel walker ...

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u/far_beyond_driven_ 13d ago

My mother, a bleeding heart liberal, reminices fondly over the Bush era. That's how bad the last 6 years of presidency have been.

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u/jamest1096 13d ago

Tbh a lot of people think this way. It’s just they want it to be legally.

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u/JollySalad676 13d ago

I honestly believe he is a good man with a good heart. I think he was led off the path of compassion by his VP. In Bush’s old school mentality, he built a team, followed their expertise and now won’t apologize because it would make his team look bad. He knows it was bad and has fallen on his sword and will take the blame.

I’m not making excuses for the terrible things that happened under his leadership, some should be charged with war crimes, but I don’t think Bush is as evil as people think.

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u/goinmobile2030 13d ago

He might have been a decent President. Much better than Dick Cheney.

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u/3Effie412 13d ago

Funny how everyone loves him now.

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u/AgentTin 13d ago

Nobody has come off better from Trump's presidency than GWB. He looks like a genius and a saint in comparison

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u/HardPawns 13d ago

Bush even said himself that Trump made him look pretty good by comparison.

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u/Janky_Pants 13d ago

Why is loving him and him having a decent take on immigration mutually exclusive to you?

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u/CantMeltDankMemes 13d ago

Bush is a genius, his advisors have spoken very highly of his ability to grasp concepts explained to him no matter how complex. He played up the dumb act to appeal to middle americans who hate the intellectual elite. Not saying he's a good person, he's scum, just not a moron like everyone thinks.

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u/strawhatArlong 13d ago

I don't think people realized that he graduated from both Harvard and Yale.

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u/zeta_cartel_CFO 13d ago

Was also flying fighter jets for the Texas air national guard.

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u/Mekhazzio 13d ago

It's more that nobody trusts that to have any integrity, when a wealthy and influential family is involved.

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u/Basic_Description_56 13d ago

Bush is a genius

Holy fuck I would’ve never believed you before listening to that and another post presidency conversation. He comes off as very intelligent.

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u/ftdrain 13d ago

Dude sounds like Plato when compared to the fuckwit Trump

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u/corpuschristisucks 13d ago

What the fuck. It's things like this that really shine a light on how fucked up the current GOP is. When GW can be looked at as "That was some smart, insightful and rational shit" there's a problem.

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u/Successful_Ad9160 13d ago

As much as I disliked GWB, I don’t think I ever thought he didn’t think he was doing what he thought was best—according to the GOP at the time regardless of how misled it was. I can say without a doubt that the TRE45ON’ous orange turd was and is only concerned about himself. Wow. He even makes GWB look good by comparison.

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u/Element1977 13d ago

Spot On. I was 25ish during the whole Iraq war. I never liked GWB, but to me, it felt like he thought he was doing the right thing. The people in his cabinet could hang for all I care. But I think in his heart, he thought he was doing the correct thing, even if it wasnt well recieved... same with Obama, same with Biden.

Shitdick Trump dry-humps a flag, and all the redneck morons think he's Captian America.

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u/mister_zook 13d ago

It’s crazy to think that this was such a source of hatred back in the day. He may not have “sounded” like the brightest guy at times, but at least he wasn’t spewing the unabashed vitriol that we got from the last guy.

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u/untitled02 13d ago

This is also the dude that said “I think we agree, the past is over.”

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u/LongOne7493 13d ago

Bro this country is fucked

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u/The5thBeatle82 13d ago edited 13d ago

I remember a time when half the world thought this guy was considered a top tier moron. Then came the orange tumor in 2016.

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u/Euphoric-Dance-2309 13d ago

As terrible as many of the things involving Iraq and Afghanistan are, he was not a xenophobic moron like the current MAGA cult. He spoke fluent Spanish and had a lot of support from the Hispanic community in Texas.

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